Player Rerates

[Commish - Boston]

As promised, GM's may select up to three (3) players to be considered for a rerate based on last seasons NHL performance.

Please provide a link to a player page (tsn or whatever you like), give a brief explanation as to what categories you feel are too low (IT, SP, PC, DF, etc), and why... any supporting evidence will likely help your case.

Post in this thread please.

[Detroit GM]

Adam Foote (Wings rerate request #1)
www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=843&hubname=nhl-blue_jackets

"Plays an outstanding defensive game and is very consistent. Is excellent in the dressing room and always leads by example. Often sets the physical tone."

When looking over Foote's stats I am deeply concerned with his defensive rating. He is getting a bad rating simply because he plays for a poorly designed defensive system and an even weaker goaltending tandom. He is the Jackets defense. When looking over his statistics I am pleased with just about every aspect, but there are a few areas I believe need to be addressed. His defense of a 70 is clearly not accurate, as any player who plays an "outstanding defensive game" would not run with a 70. I think he deserves something more towards the 79-82 mark. That would be an outstanding number in my book. As for his experience and leadership...I believe both could use some boosting. Where they are solid, they don't speak of years of experience or the leadership qualities of an NHL captain. I don't wish for any other statistics to be addressed as I believe they are fair, but the three mentioned here I strongly believe need to be reworked.

Recap:
Defense- from 70 to 79-82
Leadership- from 77 to 88
Experience- from 83 to 90

[canucksgm]

willie mitchell-vancouver canucks defenseman.

replacing mattias ohlund as the #1 shutdown man,his +1 is deceiving,a stay at home grinding dman willie is underated defensively and im hoping his agressiveness raises ,willies += has been solid in recent years and playing against the oposing teams top scorers willie holds his own.
mitchell also only had 45 pentalty minutes last year in the nhl,hes been staying out of the box and playing smart sound hockey.i dont think his 56 di rating is proper this year.
tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=1544&hubname=nhl-canucks

[Lawrence Bailey - Caps GM]

I have a funny feeling A LOT of these will be DF centric reviews...

[Lawrence Bailey - Caps GM]

ZDENO CHARA - D - WASHINGTON CAPITALS - RERATE #1

Obviously Chara is a highly rated player already, however there are some areas where he is, in my opinion, getting short changed.

The three areas I feel Chara's ratings need to be adjusted are: IT, ST, and DF

ST and IT: First off his ST rating is quite high already, but I feel it should be 99, considering he is (at 6-9, 260) the biggest player in the league. I would also suggest that this, combined with his 100 PIMs and the fact he's one of the bigger hitters in the league warrant an IT rating in the mid 90s.

DF: The second rating I feel isn't reflective of Chara's game is his DF rating. He is currently a 72 DF, and while his footspeed is a bit of a concern, his reach, physicality, and positional play (not to mention his ability on the PK) make up for that and much more. This past season he had a poor +/- however that is more a reflection of his team's overall defensive quality (especially when you look at the rest of the Bruins 06-07 blueline, especially BEFORE adding Aaron Ward) as well as one of the lowest team save percentages in the NHL. If you look at his previous four seasons (on a better team) his +/- averaged in the +25-30 range.

I feel Chara is at least a low 80s/high 70s player when it comes to the DF rating, along with the adjustments to his ST and IT.

Some links to refer to:

tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=28&hubname=nhl-bruins
sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/stats?playerId=145
www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8465009&tab=gbgt

[wshld]

Rerate #1

Mike Komirarek

Mike Komisarek is known to be a stay-at-home defensemen and very reliable defensively. I feel his 73DF could be at least 75.

He had 15 assists last year, I think it's worth way more than 64PA. In my opinion he should have 70+.

From tsn:
"Has a tremendous physical package,good skating ability and a hard point shot. Is willing to hit anything that moves and already possesses defensive polish."

His 69SK and 68 SP doesn't really refelct his good skating ability. 72-73 might be more realistic.

And lastly i feel his 77IT doesn't represent him well. He hits everything he can and brings a very intense side to the Habs defense. 80-81 might be more accurate.
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recap:

DF- 73 to 75-76
PA- 64 to 70
SK- 68 to 73
SP- 69 to 72
IT- 77 to 81

[Lawrence Bailey - Caps GM]

SCOTT HANNAN - D - WASHINGTON CAPITALS - RERATE #2

His TSN write up reads: "Has good size at 6-1, 220 pounds and uses it effectively to play a tight defensive game. Is able to combine a physical defensive game with discipline. Can log a ton of minutes and is a leader."

The three categories I feel Hannan is underrated in are: IT, DF, and LD

IT: Hannan is a ferocious player, he hits hard, blocks shots, at times takes dumb penalties, and is top to bottom a very intense hockey player. The fact his IT rating is 61 is laughable, at the very least it should be in the 80s, possibly the 90s.

DF: For the last six seasons (since he became an NHL regular) Scott Hannan has been the prototypical defensive defenceman. Like Adam Foote and Jason Smith before him, he didn't bring a lot of offense, but he brought toughness, ability to match up against the other teams best players, and ability to play a ton of minutes at even strength and on the penalty kill. He's the kind of guy who is on the ice at the end of a close game, whenever there's an important draw in his own zone, whenever the opposing team's top line is on the ice. He is one of the better defensive defencemen in the league (hence a $4.5 million dollar UFA deal) and his DF rating should be high 70s/low 80s to reflect that.

LD: Hannan is one of those players who isn't a big scorer or mouthpiece, but is a glue guy who leads by examples. He hits, blocks shots, sacrifices his body, plays hurt--that's leadership. Currently his LD sits at 67, however a rating in the high 70s/low 80s makes more sense.

Some links to refer to:

tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=1106&hubname=nhl-avalanche
sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?playerId=343&out
www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8466158

[Lawrence Bailey - Caps GM]

One thing to note when doing these: Measurable stats (like PA, SC, DI) are all formulas derived from the per game totals in each of those areas.

So, if Player A has X assists, he will have Y PA rating. And this will be in perfect balance to all other players in the league who will be higher or lower based on their assists per game.

For SC the underlying stat is goals per game, for DI the underlying stat is PIM.

So, making suggestions to change PA, SC, or DI would be changes to everyone league wide not on a per player basis--they are objective measures, not subjective.

[wshld]

bailey said:

One thing to note when doing these: Measurable stats (like PA, SC, DI) are all formulas derived from the per game totals in each of those areas.

So, if Player A has X assists, he will have Y PA rating. And this will be in perfect balance to all other players in the league who will be higher or lower based on their assists per game.

For SC the underlying stat is goals per game, for DI the underlying stat is PIM.

So, making suggestions to change PA, SC, or DI would be changes to everyone league wide not on a per player basis--they are objective measures, not subjective.

Every stats are that way. DF is measured with +/- and i could go on and on.

Every stat has an subjective side to it. Say Thornton get 20 assists next year, you probably won't give him 75 PA.

[Lawrence Bailey - Caps GM]

DF is not measured by +/- though. The DVHL ratings base the majority of their numbers on statistics, however three ratings are purely subjective: DF, SK, and SP. DVHL operates very similar to the old GHL ratings system, and the ratings formulas and methodologies for that can be found here:

www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Lodge/8728/ratings/ghlrateguide.html

The reason I mentioned it is not as a direct comment about your request, but just to inform some of the newer GMs to FHL about the basis for many of the ratings.

It also definitely doesn't hurt to request changes to some of those attributes as it is up to the discretion of Drew (or whoever is working on the rerates) to accept or refuse the request, but it's good to know where the numbers come from in the first place.

[Lawrence Bailey - Caps GM]

Further to that, if anyone is unsure about where a particular player ranks relative to their peers, you can use the site www.nhl.com/nhlstats to compare on a goals per game, assists per game, etc basis against all players of the same position or all players in the NHL.

This kind of search will show you that Marian Gaborik was tied for 38th in the NHL with 30 goals, however was 2nd (among players who played more than 3 games) in goals per game with .62. Hence he will have one of the highest SC ratings in the league, but due to missing over 30 games his DU will likely be negatively affected.

Here's another good link with info on the elements of the sim and how the different ratings are both derived and how they affect it:

www.surplusmachinery.com/hockey/FHL%20primer.htm

[Commish - Boston]

that nhlstats site is pretty cool for anyone who can't get enough stats... which, I would assume... is everyone here... if you use the RTSS player stats it will show you hits, blocked shots, giveaways & takeaways...

IT (hits), PC (giveaway to takeaway ratio), DF (blocked shots) all things to take into consideration.

You can find TOI (Time on ice) if you think someone has a low EN (Endurance) rating. Any stat you want, you can find in there.

P.S. I don't suggest rerating Bryan McCabe's puck control rating.

As for things like SP(eed), SK(ating), EX(perience), LD (leadership) ... a simple quote of "fast" or being captain/assistant captain of a team for a while could garner some improvements in those areas.

[wshld]

Rerate #2

Andrei Kostitsyn

I dont know if you have seen him a play, but i can say he definitly has amazing speed and hands. He has above average speed and a tremendous shot.

youtube.com/watch?v=qjlx1f7qaNc
youtube.com/watch?v=6kPzfy45Su4&mode=related&search=

just two videos to show how creative this guy is.

His PC is 61.... I mean, Hal Gill has 65 PC.
"Loves to dangle and make nifty plays." from tsn
I feel his PC should be at least 75-76.
Also, his SK and SP are 69. Kostitsyn is known to be a very fast skater. Along with his shot, his speed and agility are his best qualities.. In my opinion, 77 would be a good evaluation of these skills.
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recap:

PC- 61 to 75-76
SK- 69 to 77
SP- 69 to 77

[sensgm]

Hannan a ferocious hitter? in 79 games he had all of 29 hits. That is an absolutely awful number for a defenceman.

[pete]

Drew, just to let you know im not slacking, I think all my ratings are fair, so I wont do this...are these tradeable?